Why there isn't any in London(they say it would be very expensive):
http://recombu.com/news/london-underground-why-no-wi-fi_M11089.html
Our comments:
Ryan Cook
whoa!! some great links here Hayley, great job :)
April 15 at 10:16pm ·
Jason Hollis
I just typed some long response on my phone and it didn't send :( so I will keep this one a little shorter. Thanks for all the input Hayley, nice work XDWifi is done in Chain and Sweden but I don't think in the UK (well on the undergroun). They didn't say to much on how it was done tbh. I would love to know how the virgin trains work.We can't ... See Moredo 3G as that is done via phone masts which we can not restrict the use of. With wifi we can just give them a log in for them to enter a user name and password into (as many devices as they shall wish and access the computer).From what I got today they are not to worried about who it is done but more about the concept and how much you can make lol. Seeming as some people are doing conceptual ideas about space travel etc...We picked London as it will make the most revenue unlike outer London cities.I was thinking the Victoria line as it is 17KM of all underground and has 76.5 million passengers per year using it. So even if each person only used the wifi for one day we would make nearly £40 million pounds.You know you said it was expensive we could get Virgin or BT who are specialist with fiber to to the install for us and cover the cost and we just give them a percentage.As for costing I did use prices and didn't make them up. PAYG from Vodaphone is £50 a day so that's the same, block data also with Vodaphone is £10 (1GB) the same as what I priced it as and the cheapest mobile broadband dongle is £10 a month. We have to take into account that people are not on the trains all day long and are only on there for 30mins maximum at one time.Do you agree with what I have said?
April 15 at 11:02pm ·
Hayley Allen
I agree with what you have said, I was just suggesting an outer city as a tester to see if it would work, sort of like a qa, coz they mentioned that kind of thing in the lecture today. With the prices I was just comparing the 50p to the virgin trains as theirs is 75p for 10 minutes i think. I like using the companies that actually know what they ... See Moreare doing to install it. I did find on the wifi webpage a step by step guide to creating a network and the sort of devices used but I do not know if that would really apply to underground. Oh and I know Ben is going to IP tomorrow, do you want me to go too? xx
April 15 at 11:21pm ·
Jason Hollis
Only go if you want to. WifiMAX is also done in London so The underground is the only option. I have a guess of how Wifi would work in the underground. Use fiber running along to individual modems routers that would act as a bridge and add antennas that boost the signal. Is that in the copy I gave everyone?As for Virgin trains arnt people on there for a while not just quick journeys?
April 15 at 11:26pm ·
Jason Hollis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAXby the sounds of it my guess is kinda right lol. I'm sure that doesn't matter to much. we just going to have to say how its going to make money and brining in other compaines to cover the cost I believe is going to be the BIG selling point along with adverts.
April 15 at 11:29pm ·
Hayley Allen
I suppose it depends on the journey... and what do you reckon to the bus stop idea if you have read it lol? Would you mind if I didnt go, I can do some more proper research into the technical side of things then, oh and I wondered if no one has said it yet, I do not mind putting the project proposal together (like the documentation) x
April 15 at 11:31pm ·
Jason Hollis
I don't think that proposal actually has to be handed in but might help with the presentation. Can do that if you want. If I can be cheeky could I get you to do the gant chart? I've never done one and tbh got no idea what has meant to be in it. Did you read my feed back to your idea?
April 15 at 11:34pm ·
Hayley Allen
I will have a read of the brief again and see, but if not it will help to collate all of the information. Ive not done a gant chart either, but i will look into it. Do you know what job role you would like me to be yet? guess im kind of researching/ secretary at the mo :)
April 15 at 11:42pm ·
Jason Hollis
I think that is the best role for you. You've just fallen into it. Help me organise all my crazy ideas lol
April 15 at 11:46pm ·
Hayley Allen
Cool I like that, I'm quite good at organising n keeping things together :) go team!
April 15 at 11:47pm ·
Jason Hollis
I can think of ideas and what people need to do just no good with time scales etc...hence youd come in and advise lol
April 15 at 11:53pm ·
Hayley Allen
yeah thats fine :), i also wondered if any names or anything had been come up with yet? or are we leaving that to the marketing/branding team?
April 16 at 12:05am ·
Jason Hollis
I was leaving all the creative stuff to them tbh. I'm more technical minded as you can probably all ready tell lol.
April 16 at 12:07am ·
Monday, 10 May 2010
April 14th Emails
Just a addition that I had forgot. Need to work out how much revenue could be made from external companies advertising. How much do people card for adverts etc... I will work out how much it would actually cost to install our idea. but also give the option to get the money from BT or Virgin and pay them a cut. this will save us on cost and make us look even better in E&E.
Jason Hollis
Hey Guys,
This is my guess how it would actually work.
If someone wouldn't mind giving me a hand trying to work out how it would work physically. I have emailed my teacher so hopefully he can help.My guess is fiber running to different indsutral routers that would act like a bright. you'd use the converters to convert it into ethernet and boost the signals with antennas.
For Ben here is a little guess of the costing. It no doubt it due to change and we need measurements and numbers before getting some totals.
fiber cable= £2 per meter
Fiber optic Splitter = £2 Each
Fiber converter to (ethernet) = £25
EachCasing = £20
EachAntenna (5.8GHz band-5km 90 degrees )= £100
EachRouter = £500 each (use as a bridge)
Thanks
Jason Hollis
Jason Hollis
Hey Guys,
This is my guess how it would actually work.
If someone wouldn't mind giving me a hand trying to work out how it would work physically. I have emailed my teacher so hopefully he can help.My guess is fiber running to different indsutral routers that would act like a bright. you'd use the converters to convert it into ethernet and boost the signals with antennas.
For Ben here is a little guess of the costing. It no doubt it due to change and we need measurements and numbers before getting some totals.
fiber cable= £2 per meter
Fiber optic Splitter = £2 Each
Fiber converter to (ethernet) = £25
EachCasing = £20
EachAntenna (5.8GHz band-5km 90 degrees )= £100
EachRouter = £500 each (use as a bridge)
Thanks
Jason Hollis
Initial Overview of Internet on the Underground
Business:
Internet on the London Underground.
How:
Fibre lines ran along the track with wifi 'hot spots' located along the line
Potential:
Work with Virgin medai or BT for fibre lines and give percentage.
Additional: work out cost of fibre and receivers. (trial on busiest London underground line)
How it would work:
Payment:
Online via internet or oyster card.
Monthly, PAYG (daily), Pre pay (block of data)
How it would work:
Download application on your phone which you log in with your details and that will only let you connect if you have enough credit.
The oyster card would be linked to the application and user name so every time you toped up with would register the credit.
Cost:
Monthly: £5
PAYG: 50P a day
Pre pay: £10 (1GB)
Advertisement as people log in. (promotions etc...)
TO DO:
Research:
Branding-
(Jack Kiteley - Brand manager
Tom Ritchie - Brand manager)
To do:
Name
Logo
Slogan
Market research-
(Ryan Cook- Market research manager
Malachi Chin-Market research manager)
How many people would use it
What the age group (Target audience)
how many people use London underground each day and year.
What is the busiest London underground line?
How many people own smart phones?
Marketing-
(James Pyne-Marketing manager
Phil Ayres -Marketing manager)
Web site ideas?
How would you get people to know about it?
How to sell it to people
Roles recap:
Me -Project Manager
Ben Keswich- Finance manager
Ryan Cook- Market research manager
Malachi Chin-Market research manager
James Pyne-Marketing manager
Phil Ayres -Marketing manager
Jack Kiteley - Brand manager
Tom Ritchie - Brand manager
Hayley Allen- ? (Possible finance manager) we can also think of other roles and use the skills you have in the right place.
Internet on the London Underground.
How:
Fibre lines ran along the track with wifi 'hot spots' located along the line
Potential:
Work with Virgin medai or BT for fibre lines and give percentage.
Additional: work out cost of fibre and receivers. (trial on busiest London underground line)
How it would work:
Payment:
Online via internet or oyster card.
Monthly, PAYG (daily), Pre pay (block of data)
How it would work:
Download application on your phone which you log in with your details and that will only let you connect if you have enough credit.
The oyster card would be linked to the application and user name so every time you toped up with would register the credit.
Cost:
Monthly: £5
PAYG: 50P a day
Pre pay: £10 (1GB)
Advertisement as people log in. (promotions etc...)
TO DO:
Research:
Branding-
(Jack Kiteley - Brand manager
Tom Ritchie - Brand manager)
To do:
Name
Logo
Slogan
Market research-
(Ryan Cook- Market research manager
Malachi Chin-Market research manager)
How many people would use it
What the age group (Target audience)
how many people use London underground each day and year.
What is the busiest London underground line?
How many people own smart phones?
Marketing-
(James Pyne-Marketing manager
Phil Ayres -Marketing manager)
Web site ideas?
How would you get people to know about it?
How to sell it to people
Roles recap:
Me -Project Manager
Ben Keswich- Finance manager
Ryan Cook- Market research manager
Malachi Chin-Market research manager
James Pyne-Marketing manager
Phil Ayres -Marketing manager
Jack Kiteley - Brand manager
Tom Ritchie - Brand manager
Hayley Allen- ? (Possible finance manager) we can also think of other roles and use the skills you have in the right place.
Sun, April 11, 2010 9:43 pm Job Roles
Jason -Project Manager
Ben Keswich- Finance manager
Ryan Cook- Market research manager
James Pyne-Marketing manager
Phil Ayres -Marketing manager
Jack Kiteley - Brand manager
Tom Ritchie - Brand manager
Thats leaves Hayley Allen and Malachi Chin with out roles. I was thinking seeming Ryan your in the same class as Hayley you could speak to her and see if she wants to be Market research manager with you?And I will speak with Malachi and see what he would like to do?Everyone call with this? Let me know if not!
Cheers guys
Jason Hollis
Outside Broadcast TechnologyRavensbourne College of Design and Communication
Ben Keswich- Finance manager
Ryan Cook- Market research manager
James Pyne-Marketing manager
Phil Ayres -Marketing manager
Jack Kiteley - Brand manager
Tom Ritchie - Brand manager
Thats leaves Hayley Allen and Malachi Chin with out roles. I was thinking seeming Ryan your in the same class as Hayley you could speak to her and see if she wants to be Market research manager with you?And I will speak with Malachi and see what he would like to do?Everyone call with this? Let me know if not!
Cheers guys
Jason Hollis
Outside Broadcast TechnologyRavensbourne College of Design and Communication
Sun, April 11, 2010 1:01 pm Jason Email
Hey all,We all done really well for the first lesson of E & E as a group. Seeming we all ready have our concept etc... Is everyone still happy with our idea?
This email is basically sorting out everyones roles and making sure everyone is happy. Sorry I missed the second half of the E & E lesson btw.
Apparently you all don't mind me being project manager? Please let me know if you don't agree I wont get upset. I have all ready gone to the project manager lesson. Apparently only one member of the group has to attend each crash course. I have no idea what the rest of them are, but if you need to know I'm sure I can find out for you. Ben has expressed an interest in budgeting and went to the appropriate class.
The roles left are:
-Market research manager
-Marketing manager
-Brand manager
We are in a large group so doubling up might have to be done.Tom and Jack have expressed an interest Brand manager which would leave the roles of
-Market research manager
-Marketing manager
I'm not sure what the difference is but if someone does please let me know. If possible could you all pleas email me back expressing your interest into which role you would like to do. And if you have any concerns please let me know.
P.s I will write all the notes up once I get them off of Ben (Hint to Ben there) explaining which I think each roles will need to do. I have also cc'd everyone in so you can all see the responses, if you want to privatly email me please do.
Everyones email addresses are: (save you looking them up)r.l.cook@rave.ac.uk, b.keswick@rave.ac.uk, h.allen@rave.ac.uk, t.ritchie@rave.ac.uk , m.chin@rave.ac.uk, p.ayres@rave.ac.uk, j.kiteley@rave.ac.uk, j.pyne@rave.ac.uk , j.hollis@rave.ac.uk
Thanks
Jason Hollis
This email is basically sorting out everyones roles and making sure everyone is happy. Sorry I missed the second half of the E & E lesson btw.
Apparently you all don't mind me being project manager? Please let me know if you don't agree I wont get upset. I have all ready gone to the project manager lesson. Apparently only one member of the group has to attend each crash course. I have no idea what the rest of them are, but if you need to know I'm sure I can find out for you. Ben has expressed an interest in budgeting and went to the appropriate class.
The roles left are:
-Market research manager
-Marketing manager
-Brand manager
We are in a large group so doubling up might have to be done.Tom and Jack have expressed an interest Brand manager which would leave the roles of
-Market research manager
-Marketing manager
I'm not sure what the difference is but if someone does please let me know. If possible could you all pleas email me back expressing your interest into which role you would like to do. And if you have any concerns please let me know.
P.s I will write all the notes up once I get them off of Ben (Hint to Ben there) explaining which I think each roles will need to do. I have also cc'd everyone in so you can all see the responses, if you want to privatly email me please do.
Everyones email addresses are: (save you looking them up)r.l.cook@rave.ac.uk, b.keswick@rave.ac.uk, h.allen@rave.ac.uk, t.ritchie@rave.ac.uk , m.chin@rave.ac.uk, p.ayres@rave.ac.uk, j.kiteley@rave.ac.uk, j.pyne@rave.ac.uk , j.hollis@rave.ac.uk
Thanks
Jason Hollis
Inital Chat, deciding roles etc
Jason Hollis Hey guys, I was talking to a friend who is on the content course and they have all ready done E&E. Acording to them we have to make or our business/brand. I was unsure of this first as the breif is a bit wordy and if you are like me a bit annoyed that they have given us this unit when I have load of other work to be ge...tting on with....I was thinking that I wouldn't mind being Finance manager, seeming your skills are more creative and you proberly touch on some of the roles before. Does any one have any particular role they would like to do? Might as well get the ball rolling. I'm suggesting who ever driven be the project mananger. just to add isn't -Market research manager and Marketing manager kind of the same role? Sorry for the all the chatter!See More
April 7 at 10:31am
Ben Keswick jason i put who down as project manager if that ok and the next few lectures coming up only one member of the team need to go so tomorror its one about project managment and finance and im going to the finance one.
April 8 at 5:30pm ·
Jason Hollis I was also going to go to the finance one any way just incase that it what im going to get stuck with. Good call with project manager. I'm sure the rest wont mind....On another note sorry i missed the second half of the lesson. Did I miss much? I was busy doing Rave Live stuff. As for out idea is everyone happy with it...? My hous emate seem to thing that the wifi on train has been done in another country before but we wont tell any one. This could also work to our advantage as the research etc might all ready be there for us and we could just say we are branding for the UK market and how we would improve it.See More
April 8 at 8:41pm
Ben Keswick yer we are all happy for you to be manager, but remember you've got a lecture today for the management and leadership lecture, and i have a finance lecture
April 9 at 11:50am
Jason Hollis I've been to the lecture. I will upload the notes for everyone on monday or tuesday, when i get them of my friend. Does eveyone know which class they are attending?
April 9 at 7:27pm
Jack Kiteley Cheers for the notes Jason. Just wondered if we should get a list up of who's doing what (role wise)...
April 10 at 12:30pm
Jason Hollis funny enought i was just about to email everyone asking that very same question. Also more notes to be added tuesday. I will get the paper off ben tuesday to if he is in a type up all the notes and a plan of action. The sooner we get it done the better. If anyone does need help give me a shout..
April 10 at 1:04pm ·
Tom Ritchie Just thought I'd mention, but I'm up for doing brand managing if that's cool?
April 10 at 1:23pm
Jack Kiteley Well I'd quite like to work on the brand as well if you don't mind collaborating Tom? You're probably more artistic than me so you can be the 'Brand Manager' but I'd like to help out..
April 11 at 12:35pm
Hayley Allen Hey Guys, right I know I am far behind as I was away last week so can you please tell me whats been going on, and ive just read all the emails on Rave, being Finance manager is cool with me if Ben doesnt mind me working with him. I'm not in Uni tomorrow but will be weds Jason if I can at least meet you then to discuss ...whats been going on.Can you tell me any ideas you can up with so far?Thanks, H xSee More
April 13 at 1:04am
April 7 at 10:31am
Ben Keswick jason i put who down as project manager if that ok and the next few lectures coming up only one member of the team need to go so tomorror its one about project managment and finance and im going to the finance one.
April 8 at 5:30pm ·
Jason Hollis I was also going to go to the finance one any way just incase that it what im going to get stuck with. Good call with project manager. I'm sure the rest wont mind....On another note sorry i missed the second half of the lesson. Did I miss much? I was busy doing Rave Live stuff. As for out idea is everyone happy with it...? My hous emate seem to thing that the wifi on train has been done in another country before but we wont tell any one. This could also work to our advantage as the research etc might all ready be there for us and we could just say we are branding for the UK market and how we would improve it.See More
April 8 at 8:41pm
Ben Keswick yer we are all happy for you to be manager, but remember you've got a lecture today for the management and leadership lecture, and i have a finance lecture
April 9 at 11:50am
Jason Hollis I've been to the lecture. I will upload the notes for everyone on monday or tuesday, when i get them of my friend. Does eveyone know which class they are attending?
April 9 at 7:27pm
Jack Kiteley Cheers for the notes Jason. Just wondered if we should get a list up of who's doing what (role wise)...
April 10 at 12:30pm
Jason Hollis funny enought i was just about to email everyone asking that very same question. Also more notes to be added tuesday. I will get the paper off ben tuesday to if he is in a type up all the notes and a plan of action. The sooner we get it done the better. If anyone does need help give me a shout..
April 10 at 1:04pm ·
Tom Ritchie Just thought I'd mention, but I'm up for doing brand managing if that's cool?
April 10 at 1:23pm
Jack Kiteley Well I'd quite like to work on the brand as well if you don't mind collaborating Tom? You're probably more artistic than me so you can be the 'Brand Manager' but I'd like to help out..
April 11 at 12:35pm
Hayley Allen Hey Guys, right I know I am far behind as I was away last week so can you please tell me whats been going on, and ive just read all the emails on Rave, being Finance manager is cool with me if Ben doesnt mind me working with him. I'm not in Uni tomorrow but will be weds Jason if I can at least meet you then to discuss ...whats been going on.Can you tell me any ideas you can up with so far?Thanks, H xSee More
April 13 at 1:04am
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