Sunday, 23 May 2010
Market Research
Questionnaire
Hey guys/gals, I was hoping you could answer a few questions to help support the research for my groups E+E project, it should only take a couple minutes (max) and your answers will be greatly appreciated, thanks :)
Our project is about having Wireless Internet for mobile devices on the London Underground, there is a lot of potential in this idea but we need to know what you and the people who use the underground think about it. Even if you don't use the underground, please take the time to answer the questions. Thankyou :)
1) Do you use the London Underground? (a) Yes (b) No
2) If 'Yes', how often do you use it? (a) everyday [excluding weekends]
(b) 3-4 times a week
(c) Once a week
(d) Every couple of weeks
(e) Once a month
(f) Other__________________________
3) Everybody uses the internet these days, how many hours do you clock daily on average? (a) 1 hour or less
(b) 2-3 hours
(c) 4-5 hours
(d) 6 hours or more
4) What types of websites do you primarily use whilst on the internet? (Only pick 1)
(a) Shopping (ebay, amazon, play etc.)
(b) News and weather
(c) Social Networking (facebook, myspace,, youtube, twitter)
(d) games (omgpop, mini flash)
(e) entertainment news (ign, imdb, gametrailers etc.)
5) How much of your daily internet usage time do spend on the type of website selected in the previous question?
______________________________________
6) The payment method for wireless internet access on the underground would be a top-up system linked to your oyster card. Would you prefer having a monthly, annual subscription or a pay as you go service.
(a) monthly
(b) annual
(c) pay as you go
7) Are you aware of any wireless networks for underground services in other parts of the world? If yes then please specify the location(s).
____________________________________________
8) If a wifi service for the London Underground was available to the public, would you use it?
(a) Yes
(b) No
(c) Maybe
9) If you answered 'Yes' to the previous question, what would you primarily use it for?
(a) Social sites (facebook, twitter etc.)
(b) work/communication
(c) news/research
(d) shopping
Thanks for taking the time to complete this question, much love from group C :)
Results:
Hey guys/gals, I was hoping you could answer a few questions to help support the research for my groups E+E project, it should only take a couple minutes (max) and your answers will be greatly appreciated, thanks :)
Our project is about having Wireless Internet for mobile devices on the London Underground, there is a lot of potential in this idea but we need to know what you and the people who use the underground think about it. Even if you don't use the underground, please take the time to answer the questions. Thankyou :)
1) Do you use the London Underground? (a) Yes (b) No
2) If 'Yes', how often do you use it? (a) everyday [excluding weekends]
(b) 3-4 times a week
(c) Once a week
(d) Every couple of weeks
(e) Once a month
(f) Other__________________________
3) Everybody uses the internet these days, how many hours do you clock daily on average? (a) 1 hour or less
(b) 2-3 hours
(c) 4-5 hours
(d) 6 hours or more
4) What types of websites do you primarily use whilst on the internet? (Only pick 1)
(a) Shopping (ebay, amazon, play etc.)
(b) News and weather
(c) Social Networking (facebook, myspace,, youtube, twitter)
(d) games (omgpop, mini flash)
(e) entertainment news (ign, imdb, gametrailers etc.)
5) How much of your daily internet usage time do spend on the type of website selected in the previous question?
______________________________________
6) The payment method for wireless internet access on the underground would be a top-up system linked to your oyster card. Would you prefer having a monthly, annual subscription or a pay as you go service.
(a) monthly
(b) annual
(c) pay as you go
7) Are you aware of any wireless networks for underground services in other parts of the world? If yes then please specify the location(s).
____________________________________________
8) If a wifi service for the London Underground was available to the public, would you use it?
(a) Yes
(b) No
(c) Maybe
9) If you answered 'Yes' to the previous question, what would you primarily use it for?
(a) Social sites (facebook, twitter etc.)
(b) work/communication
(c) news/research
(d) shopping
Thanks for taking the time to complete this question, much love from group C :)
Results:
Finance
We would need a lot of supplies such as fiber cable, optic splitter, converter, antenna and routers
The london underground is 250 miles and worked out it would cost around £ 10,000 per mile, plus extra just in case
£500,000 flat rate
Maintenence cost would include:
System problems
Wifi signal failure
Maintaining the cable, routers, etc
200,000 per year
N-POWER will be our electricity supplier:
£500,000 per year
We are negotiating with both Virgin and BT to provide an internet connection throughout our Wifi network.
£1,000,000 per year (estimate)
Being such a large scale business plan, we need to advertise through our website, press announcements and TV adverts
£500,000 (first year)
I worked out the cost of wages for a year for the nine members of the team plus the four engineering team that would maintain the wifi network
£720,000 per year
Office space in Waterloo
(Price inc, cleaner and car parking)
£20,000 per year
Marketing Costs:
TV-
ITV: £17,000 (30 seond slot, drama/movie)
Underground-
Oxford Circus:£126,500 (4 weeks)
London Busses-
Double Decker Vinyl- £15,549 (12 weeks)
Papers-
The Sun:£50,975 (Mon-Sat) per week (Colour full page)
Metro:£25,109 (Mon-Sat) per week (Colour full page) (London only)
The Guardian:£34,000 (Mon-Sat) per week (Colour full page)
Scenario (Best):
100 million people use it I the year each paying 50p a day for 200 days we would make 1 Billion for that year
Scenario (Average):
50% of Oyster card users (5 million) tried it for one day (50p) £250,000,000
Scenario (Worse):
Only 10% of Oyster card users tried it out for one day we would still make £500,000. This would cover the installation costs.
The london underground is 250 miles and worked out it would cost around £ 10,000 per mile, plus extra just in case
£500,000 flat rate
Maintenence cost would include:
System problems
Wifi signal failure
Maintaining the cable, routers, etc
200,000 per year
N-POWER will be our electricity supplier:
£500,000 per year
We are negotiating with both Virgin and BT to provide an internet connection throughout our Wifi network.
£1,000,000 per year (estimate)
Being such a large scale business plan, we need to advertise through our website, press announcements and TV adverts
£500,000 (first year)
I worked out the cost of wages for a year for the nine members of the team plus the four engineering team that would maintain the wifi network
£720,000 per year
Office space in Waterloo
(Price inc, cleaner and car parking)
£20,000 per year
Marketing Costs:
TV-
ITV: £17,000 (30 seond slot, drama/movie)
Underground-
Oxford Circus:£126,500 (4 weeks)
London Busses-
Double Decker Vinyl- £15,549 (12 weeks)
Papers-
The Sun:£50,975 (Mon-Sat) per week (Colour full page)
Metro:£25,109 (Mon-Sat) per week (Colour full page) (London only)
The Guardian:£34,000 (Mon-Sat) per week (Colour full page)
Possible Revenue:
Scenario (Best):
100 million people use it I the year each paying 50p a day for 200 days we would make 1 Billion for that year
Scenario (Average):
50% of Oyster card users (5 million) tried it for one day (50p) £250,000,000
Scenario (Worse):
Only 10% of Oyster card users tried it out for one day we would still make £500,000. This would cover the installation costs.
Application
Jack Kiteley likes this.
Tom Ritchie
Jason I've just sent you the file.
May 16 at 2:54pm · Flag
Hayley Allen
will you send it me too?
May 16 at 4:16pm ·
Tom Ritchie
Sent.
May 16 at 4:19pm · Flag
Jack Kiteley
Nice work man
Patents
Hayley Allen Searching for Patents, there is an awful lot for Wifi... we still need our USP, maybe the payment by the card...Oh maybe it could be swiped like Oyster cards are, and people could pay for the amount of minutes a bit like a mobile phone, they pay for 10 minutes for example... and the swipe machines could be on the tube ...trains themselves rather than on the platforms or both maybe... Just trying to get some ideas :SSee More
Patent Searching Database
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Complete Patent Searching Database and Patent Data Analytics Services.
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Jason Hollis
i like the oyster swipe idea so for the amont of time it takes it off. But then that voids the origianl pricing. Thought the usp was you can just top up using the oyster cards in shops? Or it just takes the daily rate on the way you first sign up? Think thats the best of both worlds.
May 15 at 11:30pm ·
Patent Searching Database
www.freepatentsonline.com
Complete Patent Searching Database and Patent Data Analytics Services.
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Jason Hollis
i like the oyster swipe idea so for the amont of time it takes it off. But then that voids the origianl pricing. Thought the usp was you can just top up using the oyster cards in shops? Or it just takes the daily rate on the way you first sign up? Think thats the best of both worlds.
May 15 at 11:30pm ·
Update Chat
James Pyne jason,just to let you know like i have been through email. i have printed out all the rate cards for you and have just completed a questionnaire for the marketing side.i will try find you today to give you all this as a hard copy for you to put in the presentation.let me know if you need anything else.but nice logo and... mock website everyone.See More
May 14 at 1:37pm
Tom Ritchie I'm going to work on the small animation for tomorrow morning if possible?I basically just want to make an animated logo essentially.
May 14 at 4:42pm
Tom Ritchie I'm going to work on the small animation for tomorrow morning if possible?I basically just want to make an animated logo essentially.
May 14 at 4:42pm
Hayley Allen Tom thats cool. Im going to work on the E&E stuff all day tomorrow, so as long as I have it by then thats fine. Everyone else please post your stuff on here or email it to me, I need to put the presentation together ASAP!!!!!!!!!!
May 15 at 3:04pm
May 14 at 1:37pm
Tom Ritchie I'm going to work on the small animation for tomorrow morning if possible?I basically just want to make an animated logo essentially.
May 14 at 4:42pm
Tom Ritchie I'm going to work on the small animation for tomorrow morning if possible?I basically just want to make an animated logo essentially.
May 14 at 4:42pm
Hayley Allen Tom thats cool. Im going to work on the E&E stuff all day tomorrow, so as long as I have it by then thats fine. Everyone else please post your stuff on here or email it to me, I need to put the presentation together ASAP!!!!!!!!!!
May 15 at 3:04pm
Monday, 10 May 2010
Tom's Logo Design Two
Hayley Allen
I like this one alot better!!!! :)
10 hours ago ·
Jason Hollis
Me likes. Any chance of a mock website and app like we discussed? Cheers
about an hour ago · Report
Ryan Cook
this looks pro..i love it!!
about an hour ago · Report
Group Name? Work Sharing
Hayley Allen Hey Guys, was just wondering if we have a group/company name yet? Any ideas? I was thinking something to do with the track line and wifi/ internet being combined something like Interground or WiLine but they are a bit crappity, so any others?
April 28 at 11:27pm
Jason Hollis Well name and logo we can say is a working progress if we haven't got one. I have all ready done a power point and you should all have it now. If you want to add any thing please do.
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Hayley Allen
Wow im impressed by the powerpoint :), im going to start looking into the advertising costs tomorrow n how we would go about doing that side of things if thats ok? and also patents and licenses etc
April 29 at 12:04am ·
Jason Hollis
I all ready have loads of rates cards for news papers etc. James asked for them but my rave mail has just gone down.
April 29 at 12:16am · Flag
Hayley Allen
You do realise the rest of us have to do something to... unless u want me to get more involved with the creative side of things?
April 29 at 12:19am ·
Jason Hollis
I know you guys do. I've just been doing it today coz I wanted to have something to show tomorrow.
April 29 at 12:20am · Flag
Hayley Allen
fine but after tomorrow we need to sort out whos doing what properly and us all to stick to it, its not fair only a couple of people doing all the work
April 29 at 12:24am ·
Jason Hollis
I was hoping to do nothing after this until every thing is done then just bring it together. Well the guys to know what roles they have. As you can tell I've just put you down as second in command
April 29 at 12:28am · Flag
Hayley Allen
Ok thats good, like I say I do not mind collating everything together maybe we could work on the final presentation together. Think we may need to give em a kick up the backside if not much is shown tomorrow
April 29 at 12:32am
April 28 at 11:27pm
Jason Hollis Well name and logo we can say is a working progress if we haven't got one. I have all ready done a power point and you should all have it now. If you want to add any thing please do.
April 28 at 11:47pm · Comment ·LikeUnlike · View Feedback (7)Hide Feedback (7) · Flag
Hayley Allen
Wow im impressed by the powerpoint :), im going to start looking into the advertising costs tomorrow n how we would go about doing that side of things if thats ok? and also patents and licenses etc
April 29 at 12:04am ·
Jason Hollis
I all ready have loads of rates cards for news papers etc. James asked for them but my rave mail has just gone down.
April 29 at 12:16am · Flag
Hayley Allen
You do realise the rest of us have to do something to... unless u want me to get more involved with the creative side of things?
April 29 at 12:19am ·
Jason Hollis
I know you guys do. I've just been doing it today coz I wanted to have something to show tomorrow.
April 29 at 12:20am · Flag
Hayley Allen
fine but after tomorrow we need to sort out whos doing what properly and us all to stick to it, its not fair only a couple of people doing all the work
April 29 at 12:24am ·
Jason Hollis
I was hoping to do nothing after this until every thing is done then just bring it together. Well the guys to know what roles they have. As you can tell I've just put you down as second in command
April 29 at 12:28am · Flag
Hayley Allen
Ok thats good, like I say I do not mind collating everything together maybe we could work on the final presentation together. Think we may need to give em a kick up the backside if not much is shown tomorrow
April 29 at 12:32am
Tom's Logo Design One
Hayley Allen
This is cool, it may look better without the little Wifi logo on it though? or more integrated into the main thing?
April 28 at 10:57pm
This is cool, it may look better without the little Wifi logo on it though? or more integrated into the main thing?
April 28 at 10:57pm
Oyster Cards!!
Hayley Allen Just thinking, there is a number on the back of Oyster cards isn't there? Could people use this as their log in details and that way it will automatically come off of their payments on their oyster card? Obviously then everyone would need an oyster, so i was thinking that the wifi/internet could be at a reduced rate fo...r oyster card holders like the fares themselves are and people who are just on there with a normal ticket can register and use it at a slightly higher price? we could then work with the oyster card and it could act as a two way benefit or promotion for oyster and our wifi service? that way our logos and info may get onto their leaflets etc at a lower price to us too?See More
April 16 at 1:58pm ·
Jason Hollis Thats an awesome idea. So the price I came up with could be for oyster card users. Maybe for non oyster card users it could be £1 PAYG (a day), £15 (1gb-3gb not sure on data size yet) and 1 £10 a month?As for osyer card instead of people having to look at there card each time and to not let non osyter card users feel l...eft out, couldn't you link the osyer card with a user name and password the first time they sign up. A for an extra add on i had the idea of text via wifi. You might be able to think of others. Dunno how much extra we could charge for it tho?Thanks for all the awesome ideas.See More
April 16 at 3:03pm ·
Hayley Allen A bit of info on Oyster cards if you want that as a payment method, our service could be included in this sort of info pack too
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/tickets/getting-around-with-oyster-january-2010.pdf
www.tfl.gov.uk
www.tfl.gov.uk
April 16 at 4:18pm ·
April 16 at 1:58pm ·
Jason Hollis Thats an awesome idea. So the price I came up with could be for oyster card users. Maybe for non oyster card users it could be £1 PAYG (a day), £15 (1gb-3gb not sure on data size yet) and 1 £10 a month?As for osyer card instead of people having to look at there card each time and to not let non osyter card users feel l...eft out, couldn't you link the osyer card with a user name and password the first time they sign up. A for an extra add on i had the idea of text via wifi. You might be able to think of others. Dunno how much extra we could charge for it tho?Thanks for all the awesome ideas.See More
April 16 at 3:03pm ·
Hayley Allen A bit of info on Oyster cards if you want that as a payment method, our service could be included in this sort of info pack too
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/tickets/getting-around-with-oyster-january-2010.pdf
www.tfl.gov.uk
www.tfl.gov.uk
April 16 at 4:18pm ·
Jason's Research
Jason Hollis I've not had a chance to read it. I might leave it until tomorrow as it is very text heavy. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/news/4329666
Underground High-Speed Internet: Testing WiMAX in Seoul Subways - Popularmechanics.com
www.popularmechanics.com
Popular Mechanics is a service magazine covering a variety of information on home improvement, automotive needs, electronics, computers, telecommunications, outdoors, fitness and science and technology. ...
April 15 at 11:14pm
Jason Hollis http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/heathrow-express-drives-wi-fi-underground-137312Just found out it's done in London to airports. so the London underground is the only option. Also both this and virgin use T mobile but complex wifi systems that not everything works with. Too late to change idea? lol
www.techradar.com
www.techradar.com
April 15 at 11:23pm
Jason Hollis http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/2007090566/heathrow-express-goes-onlineSo I think how I said it would work it right just got no idea on costing yet. I dunno if to email the E&E lady asking her what she thinks we should do.
Heathrow Express goes online - Mobile Computer Mag
www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk
With more than 10,000 public Wi-Fi hotspots located around the UK, the chances are you will always be reasonably close to a location offering
April 15 at 11:38pm
Jason Hollis http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/lan/free-on-train-wi-fi-for-everyone-133450Also some thing about "parent company couldn't fund the £1.4 billion that National Express has pledged to pay the government under the new franchise"I dont know if that would be start up costs.
Free on-train Wi-Fi for everyone News TechRadar UK
www.techradar.com
Free on-train Wi-Fi for everyone National Express pledges free Wi-Fi for East Coast line : TechRadar UK
Jason Hollis Branson sold his Virgin Mobile company to UK cable TV, broadband, and telephone company NTL/NTL:Telewest for almost £1 billion. As part of the sale, the company pays a minimum of £8.5 million per year to use theVirgin name and Branson became the company's largest shareholder. Still tyring to get ideas how much it woul...d cost. A million to much of a ruff guess? lolSee More
April 15 at 11:52pm
Jason Hollis BT (does wifi and works close with t mobile) or Virgin media (Also mobile) for the companines to do out work for us.
April 15 at 11:57pm ·
Jason Hollis http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/15/bt_fibre_spending/
BT opens wallet to send fibre to the home • The Register
www.theregister.co.uk
BT will spend some £1.5bn on fibre optic cables to bring decent broadband to British homes and offices, provided Ofcom acts to protect its juicy margins.
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Jason Hollis
Might help with costing.
April 15 at 11:59pm · Report
Jason Hollis Think I found the costing but also how much they will make. but remember this is advnaced tech which we dont want to do as new phones are required. 'It has been forecast that WiMAX operators will be collecting revenues of$8bn per year from 31.4 million subscribers in the Asia-Pacific region by 2012 and that spending o...n WiMAX networks will approach $2.9bn in fiveyears'started in 2007: so divide 1.8 billion (UK) by 8 = (225 million) and we might have a costing and i think that is tech alone. http://www.mobilecomms-technology.com/projects/kt-corp/See More
KT Corporation WiBro Network, Seoul - Mobile/Cellular Technology
www.mobilecomms-technology.com
News and project information on the KT Corporation WiBro Network, Seoul
April 16 at 12:14am
Jason Hollis finally a UK price so it will be this we can base the cost on.http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=NewsSplash&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED08%20Feb%202010%2021%3A01%3A07%3A460Install cost: £346,000 so say more for underground and £200,000 a year running costs.M...eans we can move forward on branding and marketing.See More
Wi-fi access on Norwich to London trains - Norfolk News - EDP24
www.edp24.co.uk
Rail passengers travelling between Norwich and London will at last have access to Wi-Fi connections on their trains after a £546,000 deal was struck to provide it.
April 16 at 12:54am
April 15 at 11:44pm
Underground High-Speed Internet: Testing WiMAX in Seoul Subways - Popularmechanics.com
www.popularmechanics.com
Popular Mechanics is a service magazine covering a variety of information on home improvement, automotive needs, electronics, computers, telecommunications, outdoors, fitness and science and technology. ...
April 15 at 11:14pm
Jason Hollis http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/heathrow-express-drives-wi-fi-underground-137312Just found out it's done in London to airports. so the London underground is the only option. Also both this and virgin use T mobile but complex wifi systems that not everything works with. Too late to change idea? lol
www.techradar.com
www.techradar.com
April 15 at 11:23pm
Jason Hollis http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/2007090566/heathrow-express-goes-onlineSo I think how I said it would work it right just got no idea on costing yet. I dunno if to email the E&E lady asking her what she thinks we should do.
Heathrow Express goes online - Mobile Computer Mag
www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk
With more than 10,000 public Wi-Fi hotspots located around the UK, the chances are you will always be reasonably close to a location offering
April 15 at 11:38pm
Jason Hollis http://www.techradar.com/news/networking/lan/free-on-train-wi-fi-for-everyone-133450Also some thing about "parent company couldn't fund the £1.4 billion that National Express has pledged to pay the government under the new franchise"I dont know if that would be start up costs.
Free on-train Wi-Fi for everyone News TechRadar UK
www.techradar.com
Free on-train Wi-Fi for everyone National Express pledges free Wi-Fi for East Coast line : TechRadar UK
Jason Hollis Branson sold his Virgin Mobile company to UK cable TV, broadband, and telephone company NTL/NTL:Telewest for almost £1 billion. As part of the sale, the company pays a minimum of £8.5 million per year to use theVirgin name and Branson became the company's largest shareholder. Still tyring to get ideas how much it woul...d cost. A million to much of a ruff guess? lolSee More
April 15 at 11:52pm
Jason Hollis BT (does wifi and works close with t mobile) or Virgin media (Also mobile) for the companines to do out work for us.
April 15 at 11:57pm ·
Jason Hollis http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/15/bt_fibre_spending/
BT opens wallet to send fibre to the home • The Register
www.theregister.co.uk
BT will spend some £1.5bn on fibre optic cables to bring decent broadband to British homes and offices, provided Ofcom acts to protect its juicy margins.
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Jason Hollis
Might help with costing.
April 15 at 11:59pm · Report
Jason Hollis Think I found the costing but also how much they will make. but remember this is advnaced tech which we dont want to do as new phones are required. 'It has been forecast that WiMAX operators will be collecting revenues of$8bn per year from 31.4 million subscribers in the Asia-Pacific region by 2012 and that spending o...n WiMAX networks will approach $2.9bn in fiveyears'started in 2007: so divide 1.8 billion (UK) by 8 = (225 million) and we might have a costing and i think that is tech alone. http://www.mobilecomms-technology.com/projects/kt-corp/See More
KT Corporation WiBro Network, Seoul - Mobile/Cellular Technology
www.mobilecomms-technology.com
News and project information on the KT Corporation WiBro Network, Seoul
April 16 at 12:14am
Jason Hollis finally a UK price so it will be this we can base the cost on.http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=NewsSplash&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED08%20Feb%202010%2021%3A01%3A07%3A460Install cost: £346,000 so say more for underground and £200,000 a year running costs.M...eans we can move forward on branding and marketing.See More
Wi-fi access on Norwich to London trains - Norfolk News - EDP24
www.edp24.co.uk
Rail passengers travelling between Norwich and London will at last have access to Wi-Fi connections on their trains after a £546,000 deal was struck to provide it.
April 16 at 12:54am
April 15 at 11:44pm
Cost, Future Ideas?
Jason Hollis Just to add that remember Virgin train rides are long so can afford the high cost. A lower cost but more passengers will mean we have an edge and might attract more people.
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Hayley Allen
Yeah thats true, I was just looking at a comparable model and thought trains were the closest. We have to think of the next product too, mayb our next ideas could be wifi buses or bus stops, i think bus stops would be cool while people are waiting!
April 15 at 11:25pm ·
Jason Hollis
But we couldn't charge for that as if you have a signal you can have wifi. Just stick with the idea and see how it goes? Sell how ours would work?
April 15 at 11:30pm · Report
Hayley Allen
You could do it if they are in the middle of nowhere, or in towns outside of london that will not have as much signal. its only an idea, they did say we have to think of future projects for the company too...
April 15 at 11:33pm ·
Jason Hollis
That future bit is just there added bit. Some thing to fill the presentation if need be. Well wouldn't future plans be the other underground lines then other underground in the country.
April 15 at 11:35pm · Report
Hayley Allen
true, im just tryin to think differently lol. i was only playing to begin with :)
April 15 at 11:41pm ·
Jason Hollis
The more I read the less our idea looks good as it being done loads lol
April 15 at 11:42pm · Report
Hayley Allen
i thought that last night lol what with the research i found. i think if we found it a usp, like the way it is sold with the oyster or something, then i think that would make it successful and different
April 15 at 11:45pm ·
Jason Hollis
Well the idea is just to top up with the oyster card and use the app to log in. Thats the simple concept.
April 15 at 11:47pm · Report
Jason Hollis
Got a back up idea just incase? No to do with wifi? All I can think about it wifi atm. I'm shocked how much work I have actually put in lol
April 15 at 11:48pm · Report
April 15 at 11:06pm · Comment ·LikeUnlike · View Feedback (9)Hide Feedback (9) · Flag
Hayley Allen
Yeah thats true, I was just looking at a comparable model and thought trains were the closest. We have to think of the next product too, mayb our next ideas could be wifi buses or bus stops, i think bus stops would be cool while people are waiting!
April 15 at 11:25pm ·
Jason Hollis
But we couldn't charge for that as if you have a signal you can have wifi. Just stick with the idea and see how it goes? Sell how ours would work?
April 15 at 11:30pm · Report
Hayley Allen
You could do it if they are in the middle of nowhere, or in towns outside of london that will not have as much signal. its only an idea, they did say we have to think of future projects for the company too...
April 15 at 11:33pm ·
Jason Hollis
That future bit is just there added bit. Some thing to fill the presentation if need be. Well wouldn't future plans be the other underground lines then other underground in the country.
April 15 at 11:35pm · Report
Hayley Allen
true, im just tryin to think differently lol. i was only playing to begin with :)
April 15 at 11:41pm ·
Jason Hollis
The more I read the less our idea looks good as it being done loads lol
April 15 at 11:42pm · Report
Hayley Allen
i thought that last night lol what with the research i found. i think if we found it a usp, like the way it is sold with the oyster or something, then i think that would make it successful and different
April 15 at 11:45pm ·
Jason Hollis
Well the idea is just to top up with the oyster card and use the app to log in. Thats the simple concept.
April 15 at 11:47pm · Report
Jason Hollis
Got a back up idea just incase? No to do with wifi? All I can think about it wifi atm. I'm shocked how much work I have actually put in lol
April 15 at 11:48pm · Report
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Hayley Allen I think the main thing we will need to look into is this, the Wifi Alliance:http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge_center/knowledge_center-didyouknow
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Hayley Allen I think the main thing we will need to look into is this, the Wifi Alliance:http://www.wi-fi.org/knowledge_center/knowledge_center-didyouknow
Hayley Allen My thoughts so far:
* Jason where has your pricing come from in the email you sent yesterday?
*In price comparison with Virgin 50P a day is too little
*Has anyone looked into existing models from foreign countries?
*what type of internet would be used, as surely people are more likely to have 3G small devices than those wi...th Wifi?
*what would happen if the customer has more than one device? On mcdonalds wifi you are directed to their website first and have to register and sign in each time, would this be appropriate?let me know what you think :) xxSee More
April 15 at 10:18pm
* Jason where has your pricing come from in the email you sent yesterday?
*In price comparison with Virgin 50P a day is too little
*Has anyone looked into existing models from foreign countries?
*what type of internet would be used, as surely people are more likely to have 3G small devices than those wi...th Wifi?
*what would happen if the customer has more than one device? On mcdonalds wifi you are directed to their website first and have to register and sign in each time, would this be appropriate?let me know what you think :) xxSee More
April 15 at 10:18pm
Why not already?
Why there isn't any in London(they say it would be very expensive):
http://recombu.com/news/london-underground-why-no-wi-fi_M11089.html
Our comments:
Ryan Cook
whoa!! some great links here Hayley, great job :)
April 15 at 10:16pm ·
Jason Hollis
I just typed some long response on my phone and it didn't send :( so I will keep this one a little shorter. Thanks for all the input Hayley, nice work XDWifi is done in Chain and Sweden but I don't think in the UK (well on the undergroun). They didn't say to much on how it was done tbh. I would love to know how the virgin trains work.We can't ... See Moredo 3G as that is done via phone masts which we can not restrict the use of. With wifi we can just give them a log in for them to enter a user name and password into (as many devices as they shall wish and access the computer).From what I got today they are not to worried about who it is done but more about the concept and how much you can make lol. Seeming as some people are doing conceptual ideas about space travel etc...We picked London as it will make the most revenue unlike outer London cities.I was thinking the Victoria line as it is 17KM of all underground and has 76.5 million passengers per year using it. So even if each person only used the wifi for one day we would make nearly £40 million pounds.You know you said it was expensive we could get Virgin or BT who are specialist with fiber to to the install for us and cover the cost and we just give them a percentage.As for costing I did use prices and didn't make them up. PAYG from Vodaphone is £50 a day so that's the same, block data also with Vodaphone is £10 (1GB) the same as what I priced it as and the cheapest mobile broadband dongle is £10 a month. We have to take into account that people are not on the trains all day long and are only on there for 30mins maximum at one time.Do you agree with what I have said?
April 15 at 11:02pm ·
Hayley Allen
I agree with what you have said, I was just suggesting an outer city as a tester to see if it would work, sort of like a qa, coz they mentioned that kind of thing in the lecture today. With the prices I was just comparing the 50p to the virgin trains as theirs is 75p for 10 minutes i think. I like using the companies that actually know what they ... See Moreare doing to install it. I did find on the wifi webpage a step by step guide to creating a network and the sort of devices used but I do not know if that would really apply to underground. Oh and I know Ben is going to IP tomorrow, do you want me to go too? xx
April 15 at 11:21pm ·
Jason Hollis
Only go if you want to. WifiMAX is also done in London so The underground is the only option. I have a guess of how Wifi would work in the underground. Use fiber running along to individual modems routers that would act as a bridge and add antennas that boost the signal. Is that in the copy I gave everyone?As for Virgin trains arnt people on there for a while not just quick journeys?
April 15 at 11:26pm ·
Jason Hollis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAXby the sounds of it my guess is kinda right lol. I'm sure that doesn't matter to much. we just going to have to say how its going to make money and brining in other compaines to cover the cost I believe is going to be the BIG selling point along with adverts.
April 15 at 11:29pm ·
Hayley Allen
I suppose it depends on the journey... and what do you reckon to the bus stop idea if you have read it lol? Would you mind if I didnt go, I can do some more proper research into the technical side of things then, oh and I wondered if no one has said it yet, I do not mind putting the project proposal together (like the documentation) x
April 15 at 11:31pm ·
Jason Hollis
I don't think that proposal actually has to be handed in but might help with the presentation. Can do that if you want. If I can be cheeky could I get you to do the gant chart? I've never done one and tbh got no idea what has meant to be in it. Did you read my feed back to your idea?
April 15 at 11:34pm ·
Hayley Allen
I will have a read of the brief again and see, but if not it will help to collate all of the information. Ive not done a gant chart either, but i will look into it. Do you know what job role you would like me to be yet? guess im kind of researching/ secretary at the mo :)
April 15 at 11:42pm ·
Jason Hollis
I think that is the best role for you. You've just fallen into it. Help me organise all my crazy ideas lol
April 15 at 11:46pm ·
Hayley Allen
Cool I like that, I'm quite good at organising n keeping things together :) go team!
April 15 at 11:47pm ·
Jason Hollis
I can think of ideas and what people need to do just no good with time scales etc...hence youd come in and advise lol
April 15 at 11:53pm ·
Hayley Allen
yeah thats fine :), i also wondered if any names or anything had been come up with yet? or are we leaving that to the marketing/branding team?
April 16 at 12:05am ·
Jason Hollis
I was leaving all the creative stuff to them tbh. I'm more technical minded as you can probably all ready tell lol.
April 16 at 12:07am ·
http://recombu.com/news/london-underground-why-no-wi-fi_M11089.html
Our comments:
Ryan Cook
whoa!! some great links here Hayley, great job :)
April 15 at 10:16pm ·
Jason Hollis
I just typed some long response on my phone and it didn't send :( so I will keep this one a little shorter. Thanks for all the input Hayley, nice work XDWifi is done in Chain and Sweden but I don't think in the UK (well on the undergroun). They didn't say to much on how it was done tbh. I would love to know how the virgin trains work.We can't ... See Moredo 3G as that is done via phone masts which we can not restrict the use of. With wifi we can just give them a log in for them to enter a user name and password into (as many devices as they shall wish and access the computer).From what I got today they are not to worried about who it is done but more about the concept and how much you can make lol. Seeming as some people are doing conceptual ideas about space travel etc...We picked London as it will make the most revenue unlike outer London cities.I was thinking the Victoria line as it is 17KM of all underground and has 76.5 million passengers per year using it. So even if each person only used the wifi for one day we would make nearly £40 million pounds.You know you said it was expensive we could get Virgin or BT who are specialist with fiber to to the install for us and cover the cost and we just give them a percentage.As for costing I did use prices and didn't make them up. PAYG from Vodaphone is £50 a day so that's the same, block data also with Vodaphone is £10 (1GB) the same as what I priced it as and the cheapest mobile broadband dongle is £10 a month. We have to take into account that people are not on the trains all day long and are only on there for 30mins maximum at one time.Do you agree with what I have said?
April 15 at 11:02pm ·
Hayley Allen
I agree with what you have said, I was just suggesting an outer city as a tester to see if it would work, sort of like a qa, coz they mentioned that kind of thing in the lecture today. With the prices I was just comparing the 50p to the virgin trains as theirs is 75p for 10 minutes i think. I like using the companies that actually know what they ... See Moreare doing to install it. I did find on the wifi webpage a step by step guide to creating a network and the sort of devices used but I do not know if that would really apply to underground. Oh and I know Ben is going to IP tomorrow, do you want me to go too? xx
April 15 at 11:21pm ·
Jason Hollis
Only go if you want to. WifiMAX is also done in London so The underground is the only option. I have a guess of how Wifi would work in the underground. Use fiber running along to individual modems routers that would act as a bridge and add antennas that boost the signal. Is that in the copy I gave everyone?As for Virgin trains arnt people on there for a while not just quick journeys?
April 15 at 11:26pm ·
Jason Hollis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAXby the sounds of it my guess is kinda right lol. I'm sure that doesn't matter to much. we just going to have to say how its going to make money and brining in other compaines to cover the cost I believe is going to be the BIG selling point along with adverts.
April 15 at 11:29pm ·
Hayley Allen
I suppose it depends on the journey... and what do you reckon to the bus stop idea if you have read it lol? Would you mind if I didnt go, I can do some more proper research into the technical side of things then, oh and I wondered if no one has said it yet, I do not mind putting the project proposal together (like the documentation) x
April 15 at 11:31pm ·
Jason Hollis
I don't think that proposal actually has to be handed in but might help with the presentation. Can do that if you want. If I can be cheeky could I get you to do the gant chart? I've never done one and tbh got no idea what has meant to be in it. Did you read my feed back to your idea?
April 15 at 11:34pm ·
Hayley Allen
I will have a read of the brief again and see, but if not it will help to collate all of the information. Ive not done a gant chart either, but i will look into it. Do you know what job role you would like me to be yet? guess im kind of researching/ secretary at the mo :)
April 15 at 11:42pm ·
Jason Hollis
I think that is the best role for you. You've just fallen into it. Help me organise all my crazy ideas lol
April 15 at 11:46pm ·
Hayley Allen
Cool I like that, I'm quite good at organising n keeping things together :) go team!
April 15 at 11:47pm ·
Jason Hollis
I can think of ideas and what people need to do just no good with time scales etc...hence youd come in and advise lol
April 15 at 11:53pm ·
Hayley Allen
yeah thats fine :), i also wondered if any names or anything had been come up with yet? or are we leaving that to the marketing/branding team?
April 16 at 12:05am ·
Jason Hollis
I was leaving all the creative stuff to them tbh. I'm more technical minded as you can probably all ready tell lol.
April 16 at 12:07am ·
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